>> good evening, president obama, president lee. thank you for the question. i'd like to follow up on the north korea threat on two fronts. the first is to follow up on the question my colleague had. can you be more specific from your perspective what the consequences would be that you would bring to bear on north korea should there be a rocket launch in terms of the overall relationship but also such as specifics such as food aid and knowings. i'm wondering if you can give us insights into whether you've developed an impression of north korea's new leader and whether you've been able to take a measure of the man. president lee, good to see you again. i want to ask you about the nuclear security summit. can you explain how it would have lasting credibility when the two major antagonists of north korea and iran are on the sidelines? >> well, first of all, with respect to the consequences should there be a launch by the north koreans, as president lee

indicated, north korea is already under an extraordinary battery of sanctions. they are the most isolated country in the world. they are cut off from basic commerce and exchanges beyond their borders that every other country -- almost every other country takes for granted. their people are extraordinarily impoverished. the contrast between living standards in the north and living standards in the south could not be greater and couldn't be a greater testimony to the benefits of living in a free society. and so the real consequence, should they go forward with a launch, is they will have missed an opportunity. because what we presented to them and what we've consistently presented to them, is an

opportunity for them to take a different path than the one they've been taking which is resulting in not simply hardship for their people but a state that is decades behind their counterparts in the region in terms of development, in terms of economic strength, in terms of influence in world affairs. and so, immediate, concrete, tangible effects we had offered them, as part of a series of confidence building measures to more forward with an aid package, for example, we've indicated to them directly, because this was part of discussions that had taken place among negotiators that it would be difficult to move forward

with that package if they show themselves unable to make commitments that they've made even a month earlier. because part of the challenge for any nutrition aid package, for example, is that you make sure it gets to the people who need it and it doesn't go to serve elites in that country or their military. that requires monitors. it's very difficult to have monitors in a period of tension and friction. and it is difficult to provide aid if you don't think that it's going to get to the people who actually need it. so that's just one example of the kinds of consequence that will take place. i'll also note that every time north korea has violated international resolution, security council resolution, it's resulted in further isolation, tightening of

sanctions, stronger enforcement, greater support on the part of the international community for a stronger enforcement. i suspect that will happen this time as well. so they need to understand that bad behavior will not be rewarded. there had been a pattern, i think, for decades in which north korea thought that if they acted provocatively, then somehow they would be described into ceasing and assisting acting provocatively. and president lee and i have agreed from the start of our relationship, that we're going to break that pattern. and i suspect that it will ultimately end up having the impact intended but in the meantime, it's the people of north korea that are most likely to suffer. i do want to comment on the

issue you raised with respect to the nuclear security summit. understand that the concept of the nuclear security summit that we set up was not directed at the specific issue of iran or north korea. but was directed at one leg of a multileged stool when it comes to our nuclear security. specifically if you have a lot of loose nuclear material, if countries either historically because of old nuclear programs or currently in terms of how they operate their nuclear energy facilities, are leaving a bunch of material out there that could potentially fall in the hands of terrorists, that poses an extraordinary threat to the united states, to south korea and to countries all around the world. and so our goal with this

nuclear security summit has always been to be very specific, concrete, around a set of issues that if we act with some deliberateness can actually enhance everybody's security and should not be controversial. and it's a testament, i think, to that well-defined agenda that two years later we're seeing all these deliverables take place that are taking a whole bunch of nuclear material out of vulnerable positions that could fall into the wrong hands. it doesn't solve every problem. it doesn't address every issue that i raised in my prague speech 3 1/2 years ago. we still have issues of how can we reduce nuclear weapons among those countries that currently have nuclear weapons.

consistent with the long-term obligations of the mpt. we still have outliers that are engaging in potential nonproliferation activities. but that doesn't diminish in anyway the concrete work that's gotten done here that significantly reduces the risk that an al qaeda or a terrorist organization could get a dirty bomb and explode it in seoul or new york city. and that's always been the objective of the nuclear security summit and i think that because of the fine leadership that's been shown by president lee and his delegation, we're going to see a whole bunch of concrete stuff get done over the next two days. i think it's hard to have an impression of kim jong unbecause

it's not clear who's calling the shots and what their long-term objectives are. but regardless of the north korean leadership, what is clear is that they have not yet made that strategic pivot where they say to themselves, what we're doing isn't working. it's leading our country and our people down a dead end. ben, you were there at the dmz and it's like you're in a time warp. it's like you're looking across 50 years into a country that has missed 40 years or 50 years of progress. and you know, if a country can't

feed its people effectively, if it can't make anything of any use to anybody, if it has no exports other than weapons, and even those aren't ones that in any way would be considered state of the art, if it can't deliver on any indicators of well-being for its people, then you'd think you'd want to try something different. i don't get a sense that they've made that decision yet. but my suspicion is that at some point that's what the north korean people are going to be looking for. and they do have that opportunity. and when they make that decision, i know i speak for president lee, no one will

welcome it more than we do. because you know, it is in our interest to see every country provide opportunity and prosperity for its people. but there are certain things that just don't work and what they're doing doesn't work. >> translator: regarding the nuclear security summit, president obama just explained what kind of objectives that we want to achieve by holding the second nuclear security summit, so i just want to add to what president obama said and say that during the seoul summit which begins tomorrow, first of all we're going to review the kind of progress that we made back in washington, d.c. and then what we're going to do is we're going to make more pledges to reduce and eliminate nuclear materials. we are going to set up more

concrete benchmarks and as a result of the seoul summit, we will be able to reduce and eliminate about 20,000 nuclear weapons but we still have about 100,000 nuclear weapons left. this is a tremendous amount of nuclear weapons but i have hoped that as we continue to engage in this -- with this problem that we will be able to achieve and obtain aur goal -- our goal wit nuclear weapons. another important point that president obama mentioned is that 50 plus leaders gathered here in seoul are going to be discussing how we can prevent nuclear materials and weapons from falling into the wrong hands. we are going to discuss how we can share intelligence and information so we can prevent individuals and organizations from acquiring nuclear weapons. you can just only imagine the kind work that will go into

coming up with an agreement between 50 plus states but nonetheless, we share a common vision and a commitment. i'm confident that following the meeting in washington, d.c. the meeting that will start tomorrow will contribute to enhancing our safety and security. mr. choi. question going out to president obama. president, you just visited the dmc and today the north koreans are commemorating the 100th anniversary of the birth of kim il-sung. they were having a big parade in north korea, also celebrating the new leadership of kim jong un. if you can share with us your shouts of visiting the dmz and what you thought about the leaders in north korea.

and second question has to do with extending the missile range of south korea. the south korean government's position is that since north korea has a capability of more than 3,000 kilometers in its missile range, that is one reason why you hope to extend the missile range here in south korea. what are your thoughts on this? and what are some of the preconditions in order to resume the six-party talks? the last question was also going out to both president obama and president lee. you just asked three questions. >> it's hard to remember them all. the first question i basically answered. my impressions with respect to the dmz and the north korean leadership. with respect to the issue of extending missile ranges, i

think president lee got it exactly right. we have this incredibly powerful alliance that is multidimensional. and involves a whole range of coordination, training activities, making sure that there's inner operability with respect to weapons systems and defensive capabilities. so all these issues are being discussed as we move forward to implementing the 2015 plan. and so there are no specific preconditions around or specific obstacles around the missile range issue. rather a broader question of what are the needs in order for us to fulfill our enduring goals

around the alliance. and a lot of that is technical. a lot of it take place not at the presidential level but rather at the military level. and we will continue to instruct our teams that they work closely together to ensure what is the ultimate outcome, which is not any particular weapons system or particular missile range but rather can we protect our people? can we make sure that the objectives of the alliance are achieved? w with respect to the six-party talks, look, we've been very clear about this again and again. it's not that complicated. if the north koreans are serious about entering into six-party talks, they have to show that they are operating in good faith. at minimum, that requires them suspending activities that right

now clearly are contrary to previous obligations that they've made and international law. and when they do that, then we'll be able to sit down and resolve, hopefully, some of these longer term issues. in the absence of that, it's hard to figure out how these discussions would be productive. and frankly, president lee and i both have a lot of things to do. so we try not to have our teams sit around tables talking in circles without actually getting anything done. and my hope is that at some point the north koreans make the decision that it is in their interest to try to figure out how to feed their people and improve their economy, rather

than have big parades where they show off weapons. mark leinart? you can use them both, mark. >> exactly. thank you both. question first for president obama. mr. president, in the past, you've been particularly, when frustrated with china on the issue of north korea, not shy about telling president hu that the u.s. will do what's necessary to protect its national security interests. as you're meeting president hu tomorrow, i wonder what message will you give him regarding north korea? are you satisfied with the pressure that china has great to bear on north korea? is there more they could be

doing? and question for president lee, as long as my colleague asked president obama for his views on kim jong un, i'd like to ask you your views. you live here. you've paid attention to north korea for longer than our president has, i dare say. i just wonder whether you think he is as the president suggested, still in a very tenuous situation or whether you see him as really establishing quite some control. >> well, first of all, i look forward to my meeting with president hu tomorrow. obviously the issue of north korea will be one among a number of topics that we discuss. my communications with the chinese have been very consistent on this issue. it is my firm belief that it is

in none of our interests to see either tension and instability on the peninsula and it's not in anybody's interest to see a nuclearized peninsula. the chinese say they agree with that. the question then is, given that they have more influence and closer diplomat relations with north korea than any other country on earth, what are they doing to help guide or encourage north korea to take a more constructive approach? and that certainly will be a topic of conversation. now, i am sympathetic to the fact that they share a border with north korea. they are deeply concerned about potential instability in that country and what ramifications it might have on china.

and it is -- it is important to recognize that they have a broad range of equities when it comes to how they operate with north korea. given that they're neighbors. but what i've said to them consistently is, rewarding bad behavior, turning a blind eye to deliberate provocations, trying to paper over these not just provocative words but extraordinarily provocative acts that violate international norms, that that's not obviously working. so in the same way that north

korea needs to do something new if it actually wants to do right by its people, my suggestion to china is that how they communicate their concerns to north korea should probably reflect the fact that the approach they've taken over the last several decades hasn't led to a fundamental shift in north korea's behavior. and the irony, of course, is that during the last 20 years, china has leapt into the 21st century, in part by abandoning some of the practices that north korea still clings to. you couldn't ask for a better model of the difference at least on the economic front, that different policies have made.

and, again, i believe china's very sincere that it does not want to see north korea with a nuclear weapon, but it is going to have to -- it is going to have to act on that interest in a sustained way. and if it does, i think together between the south koreans, the japanese, russians, the chinese and ourselves, i think we can have a real impact. >> translator: with regards to a question about kim jong unand a my impression, it's a difficult question. i think it's premature for anyone to make any assessment or analysis of kim jong un or have

an accurate impression of kim jong-un. the people themselves are probably having a difficult time assessing their leader because it hasn't been very long since he took over the leadership role. i don't think anyone will give you a definitive answer to your question. having said that, i initially did have an expectation that he will take a different path but his recent announcement was a source of disappointment, nonetheless, i will wait and see and give you a more definitive answer of my impression on kim jong-un and i think that will be more accurate. any new leader in north korea will have to understand that he can't not survive alone in this world. in this day and age, no country or people or leader, for that

matter, cannot stand alone. it is imperative that all leaders and countries work together as a responsible member of the international community and this is the surest way to ensure a better life for the people of that country. and if they do so, of course, including the republican of korea and the united states and many other members of the international community will help the north koreans realize a better life for their people. >> thank you very much. we've been watching a joint news conference with president obama and south korean president lee myung-bach there. we'll now return you to our regular program. i believe in stabbings. i believe some people should be stabbed, child molesters, rapists. we have to live by a set of standards in prison.

it would be a free for all if we didn't. >> duncan was serving 28 years for home invasion, kidnapping, and robbery. at california state prison corcoran. it was the culmination of a criminal career that began at a very young age. >> i came from a good home. i can't say that i had a bad childhood. i just got mixed up with the wrong people. i started committing petty crimes when i was a kid because i actually did get strung out on heroin. my first shot was probably when i was 10 or 11 years old. >> duncan had spent most of his life incarcerated. in that time he developed a reputation as an inmate to fear. >> these are some weapons that they say they discovered in a cell that i once occupied allegedly. myself personally i'm a nice guy and i don't believe in violence. that's a damn lie. it was my responsibility on the yard to ensure that, one, our people were not harmed by another race.

i took care of the drug debts if one of our people became delinquent in a drug debt to another race, it was my responsibility to either cover their drug debt or have them stabbed in which case we would send one of ours to stab them. >> duncan's loyalty to his gang was also inked into his skin. >> my stomach, i have a war bird. these lightning bolts mean something, and if they were solid that meant that there was a kill that you actually killed the victim. being shaded in like that, that means i did put in a racial stabbing but it wasn't a kill and it wasn't from lack of trying on my part. >> duncan's tattoos weren't only about gang life. some were about his love life. >> couple of wives names up here. charlene, a prison employee. my first wife that passed away. i went through a couple

different relationships and i have a girlfriend that's doing multiple life sentences for murder. she committed fresno county's largest mass murder in history. that was my second -- yeah, that's sad, i know. >> okay. >> i could just go on and on. >> that's fine. >> but i don't want to, you know. >> that's okay. >> before long duncan made it clear that his interests were turning toward a new woman. >> during the course of the time we were filming him, he became a little fixated on me. he kind of developed a little romantic interest, i guess. >> here comes the lady of the hour. i love her. i do. i swear to god. >> so the more i would try to talk to tim about how things played out in prison, he would just kind of keep bringing it back to something personal. do you have a killer mentality? >> no, absolutely not. i would kill somebody if they tried to harm you or somebody i loved, you know what i mean? >> asking me about my personal life, wanting to know the length of time he was going to be in prison was too long for me to

wait. >> what year is this? 2008? i got about 12 years left. right around there. it's forever. does that sound like forever to you? >> i did let tim know that i was only there to cover life at the prison and that a relationship was not a possibility. he took it very well, and we were able to complete our story. >> duncan went on to tell us that in reality he was not at all optimistic about ever pursuing a life on the outside. >> i don't ever expect to get out. i figure i'm washed up for the rest of my life and i'm done, so this is my home, this is where i live, and i try to be as comfortable as i can. i try not to think about dying in prison, but in the back of my mind it's there. what am i going to do? i accept full responsibility for my fate. i did -- i don't blame nobody. i'm here because i did what i did. nobody else. coming up -- >> the death of our brother luke

recalls the brevity of our lives on earth. >> a funeral and a wedding, both behind the walls of indiana state prison. >> i told them we wanted to get married october 7th. >> that will work. october 7th.

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the high walls and razor wire that surround a maximum security prison leave no doubt that this is a place where you pay your dues for terrible decisions. but even in these stark environments, inmates will still find ways to celebrate life's milestones. >> we've covered all kinds of events in prison, from an inmate's birthday to an anniversary to a wedding, even a funeral. and nothing symbolizes the futility of committing a major crime more than seeing an inmate die in prison. >> during our extended stay shoot at indiana state prison, we were told a memorial service was being held for an 81-year-old inmate who had been at the prison since 1979. when we arrived, we realized it was someone we knew. we met willard lucas inside the prison barbershop when we shot at indiana state a few years earlier. he was in for murder and had no

hope of getting out. >> i got double life and i got to stay here until i die, and hopefully i can stay right where i'm at. i been on this chair 26 years. hopefully i won't be there another 26, but there's a lot of us in here doing multiple life that won't never get out. and i'm one of them. >> we came to find out that inmate barbers here are not unlike small town barbers. they're popular and well-liked. they even cut staff's hair. so when lucas died during the course of our second visit to isp, it was no surprise that his memorial was attended not only by his family and fellow inmates, but a significant number of staff. >> he was a good guy, a real good guy, and i miss him. every day when he used to come back from the chow line, he'd knock on my window and say, hey, what are you doing? what's up?

or i'd talk with him. he was just a good guy. >> the death of our brother luke recalls our human condition and the brevity of our lives on earth. >> even though they were on opposite sides of the law, they still had a decades' old relationship. >> i knew luke for 30 years, and i loved him. he was a good guy. >> any time he would open his mouth and tell a story, i made sure i had time to listen to him. >> we spent many, many hours playing pinochle, watching baseball games, and i would come in from work and be tired and i'd feel like making something to eat and here would come luke and he'd say, do you have some bread? sure enough, he'd have some gravy made. him and his gravy. >> he would sit and talk with me hours on hours. >> he always tried to keep me out of trouble, you know, keeping it straight. >> he meant an awful lot to me. >> lucas, i'm going to miss you.

>> on the other end of the spectrum, our stay at indiana state also included a wedding. >> this is my girlfriend, jodi. >> when we met inmate ronnie, serving 11 years for robbery, he was looking forward to making a lifetime commitment to jodi. >> tell me about the engagement. how did he ask you? >> he didn't ask me. i asked him. he told me that one day -- he told me, he said, whatever i have if you need it, i'd give it to you, and i said, can i have your last name? and he said yes, so that's what we're doing. yeah, i got his name on my leg. do you want to see it? >> although ronnie had less than a year to complete on his sentence, the couple couldn't wait to get married and put in a request for a prison wedding. >> i told them we wanted to get married october 7th. >> that will work.

october the 7th. >> you're going to be a good boy. promise? say promise. >> being good in prison has not always been ronnie's strongest quality. >> yeah, i got about 100 write-ups. might be over that. been caught tattooing, smoking weed, drinking, fighting. got locked up for robbery inside of here. >> he kind of had a bully type attitude. >> what are you waiting for? >> and it was clear he wanted to be on the show. he wanted to do it, but at every turn he was resistant. there was one point where i went into his cell to get some "b" roll of him interacting with his brother and he was asking me, are you done yet? you know, why do you need this? why do you need that? >> you're all right. just getting you two together. you can just talk. >> i don't know if part of it

was that we were encroaching on whatever he was doing at the prison. >> i need to take this guy out. >> or if that's the persona he was trying to project. >> i don't care if you like me or dislike me. i didn't come here for friends. >> during our time at the prison, things began to heat up for ronnie. he was caught with a cell phone charger and later voluntarily turned in a cell phone. prison officials nearly canceled the wedding, but agreed to let it move forward with one major restriction. it would have to be a noncontact ceremony, meaning bride and groom would be separated by a thick pane of glass. a not so minor detail for jodi. >> so there is like no kissing the bride? >> when the day comes we will see. >> for jodi hearing that she would have a noncontact wedding, it was like the sky had fallen. she was crying. she was upset that she wouldn't be able to, you know, hold him. this was her day in the sun, and the prison was ruining it.

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write-ups resulted in a noncontact ceremony, meaning bride and groom would be separated by a pane of glass. but that didn't deter the couple. and we were there to cover the wedding. >> how are you feeling right now? >> pretty good. >> as ronnie made his way to the noncontact visitation area, the bride was in the restroom suffering a major case of the jitters. >> i said i'm freaking out. >> why? >> because i'm like going to be married in an hour. >> filming jodi right before she got married in the prison was a surreal experience. honestly in a million years i never thought i would see myself in this situation. >> and this is how you decide to show it? >> i'm sitting on the toilet in indiana state prison fully clothed, of course, but i'm just tripping. >> it was actually very funny. she's kind of standing up and squatting on the toilet seat in the restroom and kind of losing it. >> i'm chewing on acrylic fingernails.

>> let me see. >> i didn't even feel like i was at work that day. here is this girl dressed head to toe in this disco outfit ready to tie the knot. >> where are your shoes? >> my shoes are over here. haven't been this nervous since like -- we won't even say. i'm freaking nervous. >> she was a mile a minute. >> does my hair look okay? >> looks good. >> she was nervous and excited and, you know, not very different from a bride to be on the outside. >> are you sure i look okay? >> you look beautiful. >> jodi pulled herself together in time to meet the pastor who had arrived to perform the ceremony. >> there was actually no relationship between jodi and the pastor. >> jodi, how long have you known rodney?

>> ronnie? >> ronnie. >> i have known him for many years, a long time. >> before he came here? >> yes. >> were you in love with him then? >> i wouldn't say in love with him, but i loved him. >> this is not just a contract you're signing. >> i understand that. it's a covenant. >> it is a covenant you're making with him, you know, and this makes it much, much more serious. >> there are certain people that are allowed to come into the prison to perform these wedding ceremonies. he was one of them. they didn't know each other ahead of time. he was obviously trying to counsel her. >> he'll have this black mark against him. >> i know that. i already know. i mean, i have known people that's come out of prison and some even being family and they are -- it's hard -- the hardest thing i think i seen is jobs. people don't want to employ them. >> normally i just flat turn down weddings here because i find, in most cases, the men are

just using the women for their own advantage. >> i've heard stories. >> you've heard stories? >> i've heard stories. i'm aware of all the ups and downs and i'm prepared to help him adapt back to society. i realize it's going to be some trouble for him. for the record, i took a psychology class. i think i can handle it. >> you think you can. >> i had an awesome instructor, yeah. i think i can handle it. >> how does the rest of the family feel about the wedding? >> they're okay. his mom was going to be here today but couldn't make it. he's got a good family. >> as jodi spoke with the pastor, ronnie had arrived on his side of the glass awaiting his bride and maintaining his cool. >> why should i be nervous? >> big day. it's a commitment. it's forever. what are you doing about a ring?

tell me. what do you know about your rings? >> she's got both of them. >> both what? >> rings. >> how do you get it? >> i have no clue. >> tell me what you do know about this noncontact wedding. >> going to get married through this window, i guess, through glass. >> where do i go? how are you doing? >> all right. you ready? >> yeah, are you ready? >> yeah, let's do it. >> are you nervous? >> when it was finally time to exchange vows, the ceremony proved as unique as the couple themselves. >> this is the pastor. this is pastor rossen. >> good to meet you, ronnie. >> you, too. >> are you ready for the big day? >> let's do it. >> are you sure? >> yeah. >> okay. >> we are gathered here today in the presence of god in the face

of this company to join together this man and this woman in holy matrimony. >> they're talking on the phone doing their vows over the phone. it was kind of bizarre. >> this is driving me nuts. >> ronnie, will you have this woman to thy wedded wife, to live together after god's ordinance in the holy state of matrimony, to honor and keep her in sickness and in health so long as you both shall live? >> yes. >> jodi, will you have this man for thy wedded husband to live together after god's ordinance in the holiest state of matrimony so long as you both shall live? >> yes, i will. >> do you have rings you wish to exchange? >> yeah. >> somebody has got to walk it to him. >> he'll take the ring. >> ronnie and jodi have promised to be faithful and true to each other, i pronounce them husband and wife. okay.

you two can kiss the glass. that's about as best you can do. >> no, they don't wash that around here. yeah, we're done. we're married. the honeymoon is going to be awesome when he gets home. but that's definitely when he gets home. coming up -- >> i'm going to catch every one of these cats. >> the one part of the prison population determined to keep coming back. doers. here's to more saturdays in the sun. and budgets better spent. here's to turning rookies into experts, and shoppers into savers. here's to picking up. trading up. mixing it up. to well-earned muddy boots and a lot more spring per dollar. more saving. more doing. that the power of the home depot. break out the gardening gloves.

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there's a certain story line that develops at many of the prisons we visited that we have difficulty ignoring. it's the relationship between inmates and cats. sometimes they're strays that roam prison grounds and bond with inmates and other times

they're part of a sanctioned rescue program like the one at indiana state prison. >> introduce me to your friend. >> this is cletus. he's 16 months old. they said we can adopt cats from the humane society, so i adopted this one. >> benjamin ritchie was in for a pretty horrendous crime. he's on death row. death row is a very dark, depressing place, but when he started playing with his cat, cletus, there's some kind of bonding. there's a display of affection that you would never normally see in a prison environment. >> you wouldn't believe what a cat would do. i'm not a cat person to begin with, but i got me one and, you know, i like the little fellow. >> it's interesting to see this change in these hard core, tough inmates whenever they're around their own cats particularly. they just become so much more

softened by having this connection with an animal. >> he's my buddy. when times are hard, you know, he can snuggle up to you. >> here there's a safe place for these guys to kind of mellow out, have something to love, and embrace something a little bit different than the darkness and pain they're usually surrounded by. >> there's a code of sorts with these cats. you do not mess with somebody else's cat. you don't hurt them. you don't look sideways at them. heaven forbid you spit at one of them. they take their cats that seriously. >> come on. >> they were a very interesting pair. >> we play and everything. i got him very small. he had a little kitty cat thing. a little kitty cat thing.

then you get a little i.d. with the kitty cats on it. >> minnick was extremely bonded with his cat, mr. majestic. he ruled the roost as far as i was concerned. he painted this cat, fed this cat abundantly from what it looked like, and they seemed to be somewhat symbiotic. >> i got him november 2nd, 2006, and he got neutered october 27th, same day i got arrested. so we had something in common. >> i think the cat program tames the beast. >> come on. come on. all right. >> at the holman correctional facility in alabama, the cats are even more abundant, but none of them are invited. >> at holman they're just wildcats who the inmates connect with and start feeding even though it drives the staff crazy. >> i'm going to catch every one of you cats.

>> there was a sergeant this charge, sergeant english, whose job it was to try to deal with these feral cats and get them outside the prison. the cats became his nemesis, particularly fluffy. >> there's fluffy. i think you're going to have a little trouble with that one. it's personal between him and her, you know what i'm saying, so it's animal wit against human man wit. >> i have been trying to catch fluffy for six months. i haven't caught her yet. >> the inmates love the cats and the cats trust the inmates, and it was just a neat story to see the officers trying to get the cats and the inmates trying to protect the cats, and it just proved to be a really cool story. >> fluffy has had another kitten. >> fluffy seemed to be perpetually breeding more and more kittens. >> she's going to get him up and

run with him. she's good to go with him. she's gone. >> there's no telling where she's carried him to. >> can you get her? >> huh-uh. >> she's gone in there now. it's over with now. >> sergeant english liked the cats. he wasn't going to hurt the animals. he was trying to find them homes but the cats were posing a problem at the prison. they were getting stuck in the fence. they were just creating too many problems. they weren't set up to have a cat program. >> this is my cat bait. >> don't want no eggs. tell him you don't want no egg. tell him you don't want no egg. >> so one day we're covering this story and there were two kittens, a brother and sister, and the brother actually reminded me a lot of a cat that i had had for like 15 years. he was really bold. i mean you can actually see in the footage when they set the trap out, they had the food at

the back of the trap, and the cat didn't even hesitate. >> he's caught right now. >> get out of there. >> it's that easy to catch them. >> and when sergeant english closed the trap, he stopped for maybe a second, turned back to the food, and just kept eating the food like it was cool, you know. at that point i was like this is a pretty cool cat. most people would say it's a stupid cat but i took it to be like he was just bold. he didn't care, and so just that kind of threw it out there, hey, if i wanted to take this guy home, what would i have to do? >> our cameraman, brian, ended up adopting this little kitten. >> they're like that would be great. go down to the vet, get the shots and get yourself a carrier you can carry on the plane and you got yourself a cat. >> and we had to take him back through the airport which was kind of comical because he didn't want to traumatize the cat any further, you know. it was born in a prison. so i actually ended up taking the kitten out of the little carry-on case and walking through the security system with it. >> didn't make a sound the entire flight. just chilled out, relaxed, and

turned out to be a great cat. >> one of them kittens went all the way to california. >> he might be living better than you and me are. >> he's free. >> i bet he's in an air conditioned house. >> the cat has had the life of riley ever since. this cat has an amazing life and we would hear periodically from some of the inmates and staff always asking about the cat, and i believe brian named this kitten doc for department of corrections. >> doc is great. he's still very bold. he's a mouser. i mean like an incredible mouser. usually a few times a week he'll bring in mice from outside or rats from outside and we live near the mountains so there's quite a bit of wildlife and he'll bring us a trophy pretty much a couple times a week.